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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobloft wanted the deal or it wouldn&#039;t have got that far. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Norrie knew that. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Norrie couldn&#039;t accept anyone else being in control, took over the meeting, lectured the investors, insulted them, and turned a modest little marketing success into a disaster for his former students. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Norrie changed the show from being about Jobloft and Venture funding into a side show on the arrogance of a Ryerson professor and the hold he has on those poor dumb kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobloft wanted the deal or it wouldn&#8217;t have got that far. </p>
<p>Norrie knew that. </p>
<p>Norrie couldn&#8217;t accept anyone else being in control, took over the meeting, lectured the investors, insulted them, and turned a modest little marketing success into a disaster for his former students. </p>
<p>Norrie changed the show from being about Jobloft and Venture funding into a side show on the arrogance of a Ryerson professor and the hold he has on those poor dumb kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://ryancoleman.ca/2006/11/wow-didnt-see-that-coming.html/comment-page-1#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Kempton, Anon.,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Kempton:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;For example, the 50%/control thing is a tool to reduce risk and create a safety margin buffer for weaker but still potentially good deal.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The reality though is none of them actually would have owned 50%. And besides 50% is no good if the other guys own 50% too - all you get then is a deadlock. So then, again, it all comes down to the rules in place in the partnership agreement and ultimately the structure of the board.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Is the &quot;Multilingual&quot; part in the &quot;creation, management and translation of Multilingual websites &amp; applications&quot; out sourced to language specialists in those countries?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yes - with our technology we connect the content management systems directly to translation service providers who use a mix of local and in-country translators depending on the content.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Anon.&lt;br/&gt;&quot;What is the expertise of the dragons worth? Not a heck of a lot---they didn&#039;t spend time with the startup. The prof should be cut some slack. He is not a slick TV personality, with all the on-screen experience of O&#039;Leary, etc.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Actually their experience is worth quite a bit - but it&#039;s also not expertise you want (or need) in the office with you 24/7. All I&#039;d want out of that deal is an email address, a cell phone number (with agreement to returning a call/message in a reasonable amount of time) and a board meeting every 4 weeks (with face time at least every other one). Their guidance, and Rolodex would be priceless in this case).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Like I said 50% was steep for $200K but I wouldn&#039;t say it was an &quot;unfair deal&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kempton, Anon.,</p>
<p>@Kempton:</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, the 50%/control thing is a tool to reduce risk and create a safety margin buffer for weaker but still potentially good deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reality though is none of them actually would have owned 50%. And besides 50% is no good if the other guys own 50% too &#8211; all you get then is a deadlock. So then, again, it all comes down to the rules in place in the partnership agreement and ultimately the structure of the board.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is the &#8220;Multilingual&#8221; part in the &#8220;creation, management and translation of Multilingual websites &#038; applications&#8221; out sourced to language specialists in those countries?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; with our technology we connect the content management systems directly to translation service providers who use a mix of local and in-country translators depending on the content.</p>
<p>@Anon.<br />&#8220;What is the expertise of the dragons worth? Not a heck of a lot&#8212;they didn&#8217;t spend time with the startup. The prof should be cut some slack. He is not a slick TV personality, with all the on-screen experience of O&#8217;Leary, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually their experience is worth quite a bit &#8211; but it&#8217;s also not expertise you want (or need) in the office with you 24/7. All I&#8217;d want out of that deal is an email address, a cell phone number (with agreement to returning a call/message in a reasonable amount of time) and a board meeting every 4 weeks (with face time at least every other one). Their guidance, and Rolodex would be priceless in this case).</p>
<p>Like I said 50% was steep for $200K but I wouldn&#8217;t say it was an &#8220;unfair deal&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50% was waaayy too much for a pretty solid startup like this.  Those young guys are better off working their butts off on part-time consulting for a year to put together the 200k.  What is the expertise of the dragons worth?  Not a heck of a lot---they didn&#039;t spend time with the startup.  The prof should be cut some slack.  He is not a slick TV personality, with all the on-screen experience of O&#039;Leary, etc.  He simply lost it over an unfair valuation, and to criticize him for that is missing the big picture.  I&#039;m still amazed at 200k for half that startup!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50% was waaayy too much for a pretty solid startup like this.  Those young guys are better off working their butts off on part-time consulting for a year to put together the 200k.  What is the expertise of the dragons worth?  Not a heck of a lot&#8212;they didn&#8217;t spend time with the startup.  The prof should be cut some slack.  He is not a slick TV personality, with all the on-screen experience of O&#8217;Leary, etc.  He simply lost it over an unfair valuation, and to criticize him for that is missing the big picture.  I&#8217;m still amazed at 200k for half that startup!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kempton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kempton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for the YouTube link and interesting post. I agree with some of your points but I am also in violent disagreement with some other points. (big smile) For example, the 50%/control thing is a tool to reduce risk and create a safety margin buffer for weaker but still potentially good deal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway good stuff.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cheers,&lt;br/&gt;Kempton&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S. And I love your blog name &quot;Found in Translation&quot;! (Love that movie and her new one.)&lt;br/&gt;P.P.S. Is the &quot;Multilingual&quot; part in the &quot;creation, management and translation of Multilingual websites &amp; applications&quot; out sourced to language specialists in those countries? Note to self: Check this stuff out. (smile)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>Thanks for the YouTube link and interesting post. I agree with some of your points but I am also in violent disagreement with some other points. (big smile) For example, the 50%/control thing is a tool to reduce risk and create a safety margin buffer for weaker but still potentially good deal.</p>
<p>Anyway good stuff.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Kempton</p>
<p>P.S. And I love your blog name &#8220;Found in Translation&#8221;! (Love that movie and her new one.)<br />P.P.S. Is the &#8220;Multilingual&#8221; part in the &#8220;creation, management and translation of Multilingual websites &#038; applications&#8221; out sourced to language specialists in those countries? Note to self: Check this stuff out. (smile)</p>
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		<title>By: James M Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>James M Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention that we are in violent agreement regarding the Dragon&#039;s proposed strategy ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention that we are in violent agreement regarding the Dragon&#8217;s proposed strategy ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://ryancoleman.ca/2006/11/wow-didnt-see-that-coming.html/comment-page-1#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed James... when the show first aired the only thing that made it a remotely good deal in my head was the two retail dragons who were in on it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d love to see the tape of that whole boardroom session. Maybe we can convince the JL crew to do a &quot;What happened?&quot; session at the next BarCamp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed James&#8230; when the show first aired the only thing that made it a remotely good deal in my head was the two retail dragons who were in on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see the tape of that whole boardroom session. Maybe we can convince the JL crew to do a &#8220;What happened?&#8221; session at the next BarCamp.</p>
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		<title>By: James M Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>James M Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO one of the downsides of JL walking away from the dragons is the access to companies who poteintially list their positions on Job loft. The dragons are heavies with a lot of pull I think their strategy of going to f500 companies to use jobloft was the correct approach. Job seekers will do to where the jobs are.&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;The Dragons know other &quot;dragons&quot; with big companies with jobs to fill. Seems kinda sound to me. Fish in a Barrel so to speak. But going retail, you&#039;re competing in a bigger pond and spending a lot of marketing dollars reaching people who will seldom if ever use your service. There&#039;s loads of opportunity to armchair this sucker, it&#039;ll make good chatter for the TorCamp xmas mixer ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ah business strategy! Live it! Love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO one of the downsides of JL walking away from the dragons is the access to companies who poteintially list their positions on Job loft. The dragons are heavies with a lot of pull I think their strategy of going to f500 companies to use jobloft was the correct approach. Job seekers will do to where the jobs are.</p>
<p>The Dragons know other &#8220;dragons&#8221; with big companies with jobs to fill. Seems kinda sound to me. Fish in a Barrel so to speak. But going retail, you&#8217;re competing in a bigger pond and spending a lot of marketing dollars reaching people who will seldom if ever use your service. There&#8217;s loads of opportunity to armchair this sucker, it&#8217;ll make good chatter for the TorCamp xmas mixer ;-)</p>
<p>Ah business strategy! Live it! Love it!</p>
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